Poop Shovels, Petrichor, and Poor Decisions

We tell the full story of a first backpacking trip in Yosemite, from pre-trip dread to campfire wins to the post-trip shower that feels like a spiritual event. Then we pivot to planning our Maine fall getaway and spiral happily into packing debates, Salem dreams, and cozy food talk. 

• why this Yosemite backpacking trip happens and why it feels so high pressure 
• control, anxiety, and the mental load of packing for unknowns 
• the poop problem, trail privacy, and why a real toilet changes everything 
• comfort gear choices, sleeping pads, tents, and the reality of “ultralight” 
• rain, safety worries, and going out alone with headlamp and bear spray 
• bear cans, bear boxes, overpacked snacks, and the great salami debate 
• camp downtime with books, card games, and the joy of a Kindle 
• hot toddies, fly fishing, and what actually makes the trip memorable 
• deciding backpacking is not the preferred camping style 
• Maine trip plans for Portland food, Salem ghost tour, and Acadia 
• checked bag vs carry-on, overpacking logic, and airport connection stress 
• fall rituals, pumpkins, petrichor, and soup season cravings 

Dead Mom Scavenger Hunt is about moving through life after loss without turning it into a whole identity—or pretending it’s not there. It’s two women traveling, eating, finding mildly chaotic situations, and narrating with humor that’s just dark enough to tell you they’ve been through something. The “scavenger hunt” isn’t literal. It’s the ongoing practice of noticing what’s still good, still funny, still meaningful…even when you don't feel like laughing.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

Good morning. Welcome back.

SPEAKER_02 0:04

It's good to see you. I missed you. It's great to see you. Uh Kara just complimented my internet. So feeling pretty good about that. So we'll see how quickly that devolves. Yeah. Yeah. Probably. Um, you know, this the the problem with spending so much time with you and hanging out. It's not a problem, Kara. It's a challenge. The challenge is that I have like withdrawals when you're not there now. Like when you I know, same. When you were backpacking last weekend, I wanted to text you.

SPEAKER_01 0:33

Well, actually, I did text you like half a dozen times. I just knew you wouldn't get it. Um, but I wanted to talk to you. Couldn't back.

SPEAKER_02 0:40

My first probably only backpacking.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

Okay. So we recorded some stuff that I don't think got. I know it didn't get up. I'm pretty sure it didn't get uploaded.

SPEAKER_02 0:53

Or did it? I don't know. You're our IT person. Um, I should be fired like

Banter And Lost Recording

SPEAKER_02 1:00

immediately. Luckily we don't pay you much. That's helpful. That helps. Yeah. I don't know what our last episode that was up was. The beauty the beauty about being on Zoom too is that we will have the two audios, so I can cut out anything. It will be perfect. Well, I don't do those things anymore, so it doesn't matter. You mean the the explosives? No idea what you're talking about. I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm just gonna drink my tea. Not sponsored by uh Guayaki Yurba Mante, but if they would like to sponsor us, feel free.

SPEAKER_01 1:43

I don't think uh I posted anything about the backpacking, the impending backpacking trip. We did a whole episode about that, um, where we had a bunch of technical difficulties, and I think only my side of the audio recorded. So we could just kind of hear you in the background.

SPEAKER_04 1:58

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Um so why don't you set the stage so everyone knows what happened, what this backpacking bullshit was all about. Let me preface this by saying I've done a ton of camping and car camping and tent mostly tent camping with a car, uh, but not anything so fancy as like a sprinter van or you know, things like that. Um and I love camping. I love car camping. This was my first actual like be a snail and carry everything you own on your backpacking trip. And the reason it happened was because my nephew, who I love more than anything, graduated from high school this year. And for his senior trip, he wanted his uncle and I and his parents to all go backpacking together in Yosemite, which was so sweet. You know, I would have been like, I will be backpacking with my friends in Europe. Bye. Yeah um, but it's what he wanted to do. So I couldn't say no. And I love Yosemite.

First Time Backpacking In Yosemite

SPEAKER_02 3:05

Yosemite is gorgeous, it's a real, you know, geological boner in there, all those rock formations. You had some serious anxiety coming into this, though. I haven't seen you that stressed out since Bonnie was dying. Yeah, it was very stressful because I like, I mean, I you like to have cons control. There's a little element of control you're giving up. I like to control how out of control I am. I like to be a little out of control, but I like to control that. Like when we go on vacation, it's not like everything's planned. We're like, well, let's see where the wind blows us. Um I couldn't even picture. Go ahead, sorry. It was very like cute, very charming. No, no, well, yes, obviously it was very charming. Everything you do is very charming.

SPEAKER_05 3:53

Um, but when we were, because we were down in Mountain View, and I was helping you with that vendor booth at the Mountain View Festival, and you were totally fine until it could start to get to the end of that and you weren't as focused. That was like kind of over. And now the next thing was the camping or the backpacking, and you were as soon as the focus was off of the, you know, you couldn't distract yourself with the event anymore. You were like kind of pissed off.

SPEAKER_02 4:17

Well, I also had one day to gather everything that I might need. And if you've never done it, how you don't know what you don't know. Right. So I and and Hammer's done it before, so he's trying to tell you what to do, and you're doing your own research. And then my husband's done a fair bit of backpacking, so you would talk to him. Right. And you have like him and your husband does like, I'm a badass ultralight. He did the ultralight thing, yeah. But only because the first time he went out, he went too heavy and hurt, like he hurt his knee. So he was like, fuck this, I'm going ultralight. Um yeah. Well, and he's so lovely. I borrowed a metric fuck ton of Kara's husband's stuff. So I did, I was I didn't have to like buy a backpack or anything like that. I just borrowed all of Kara's husband's stuff, which was great. Um, you know, yeah, sure. He is the sweetest. He is the sweetest. I love him so much. I think we're getting a cameo. Hameo. Hi. We're podcasting. We're talking about backpacking, honey.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

Do you uh did you start interrupt?

SPEAKER_02 5:23

That's okay. Say hi to the people.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

Hey, people. Um, I need to get the the medic uh the medicine kit or the first aid kit. I need to patch this knee thing.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

Oh, it's in the camping uh Tupperware thing, the big thing.

SPEAKER_04 5:38

Okay, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 5:40

I think there actually might be one that's still by all your unput away backpacking stuff. Okay, Bertie can be in here. Hi, baby. Um and I I like how you noted that it was unput away. You like that? Yeah. Okay, what I was gonna ask you, like what were some of the very distinct anxieties that you were worried about coming in like pooping in a hole. Okay, pooping in a hole. That was anxiety. Well, and the whole surrounding of the pooping in a hole, like sharing one shovel betwixt the four of us. So it's kind of an well, we were supposed to. So you kind of like I was like, Do you have to announce? Where is the poop shovel? Everyone like you can't just like slither off and go Well, that I didn't know. Yeah, could you just waterween me out of there?

SPEAKER_05 6:31

I would be worried about maybe like the foliage not being dense enough to hide me pooping.

SPEAKER_02 6:35

I'd have to hike like two miles to get the earth to curve enough that they wouldn't be able to see me. Yeah. Also, what is like the consistency? What with what fervor are things coming out? Because you're eating all this weird, like weird MREs and stuff. Yeah. And we've done taste tests of some of the MREs because I was like, I need to try this first. And there's a couple of them that we tried, and I was like, well, I will not be taking that because it's that caused some gastrointestinal dysfunction. It made me instantly have to poop. Sorry, world. This one's gonna be a lot about pooping.

SPEAKER_03 7:10

Um you know what? That is a legit anxiety, though.

SPEAKER_02 7:12

That's it was I have I have never backpacked where I had to poop in the woods. I think I would probably just hold it for three days. Well, that was gonna be my plan. I was like, okay, well, maybe I just don't poop for four days. And then that sounds really uncomfortable. That sounds really I don't think you maybe can either. If you're walking as much as you're hiking, like your body's gonna try to gravity, just the gravity alone. Also, I have a very I'm a well-oiled machine. Like this thing works well. So every morning, like I was worried about the sleeping. I like being comfortable, and everyone's like, oh yeah, well, it's not gonna be comfortable. I was like, okay. Really selling this experience. They were not, yeah. Um so you had a tent, you got a tent. Well, I'll just I'm just gonna show you. Okay, I had so many, I have so many questions. Amor got a two-person tent, which l looked like a casket. It half a it looks like about a half a person tent. Yeah. Oh, you that's right. You saw it. You saw it. Yeah, I watched him put it up. Yeah. So then um I went and bought what she was totally mad about. Um, I didn't tell him, I just went and bought a three-person tent and just threw it in the car. He did not. Just as an insurance policy. I was like, we're gonna try yours first. It's just an insurance policy. We can return it. It's REI. Like, they're lovely. Okay, that's hilarious. He was like, I yes, it was so mad. Not not that, not that like I did it, but that I like didn't trust that he had done research and like chosen this tent for appropriate reasons. But I was like, that's that's hilarious. That looks real claustrophobic to me.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

And a little insight into your marriage.

unknown 9:03

Totally.

SPEAKER_02 9:04

I'm just gonna go buy a $500 tent and not tell you, and throw it in the car. See what happens. I'm just gonna do what I want anyway, because I don't pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about. We did end up using the two-person tent. It was fine. Okay, and you both fit in there fine. Yeah, like like matchsticks, sardines. Yeah. Well, and I also went and got I did not use Jeremy's sleeping pad. Okay. You went and got a more comfortable one. Yeah. That was not ultra light. Correct. I mean, it was still pretty light, it was like two pounds. Did you end up using his sleeping bag? Yes, and his sleeping pad's bomb, by the way. Were you warm enough? Because we okay, there were some weather concerns. One of the anxieties that that came up when we were still down at Mountain View, you had this text thread with your family going that was going off like every 30 seconds.

SPEAKER_05 9:54

Somebody was texting this thread, and you couldn't keep up with it because we were trying to sell jewelry. Working. We were working.

SPEAKER_02 9:59

Yeah, and you were really, really nervous about the weather because everybody was freaking out that it was gonna snow and maybe rain on you guys, and then it was gonna be warm. So you kind of had to figure on perhaps all the different weathers. All the weathers. All the weathers. Yeah. So you did get rained on. Yes. I and

Bathroom Stress And Comfort Gear

SPEAKER_02 10:20

also the day that it rained the most, um, Hammer was fly fishing all day that day. And Chris, my sister and I, sister-in-law, and I, Chris is my sister-in-law, she and I, um, went with him and watched him fish for a while. And then we wanted to go check out this lake. So we left him by himself and we went and checked out a lake and came back to like where our camp was and played some cards. And anyways, it was getting kind of dark and late and it was raining, and he wasn't back yet. And I was like, oh God, what if he fell? You know, what if he's like by himself out there? Because he didn't have a one of those Garmin. No, nothing. So once I would told her, I'm like, okay, we're not allowed to like flip shit until 6 p.m. This was like at 5 p.m. And at 5 30, I was like, I'm just gonna go look because I'm not good at sitting still. So I put on Jeremy's rain pants and raincoat and got the headlamp. His headlamp is very nice, also.

SPEAKER_04 11:20

It is bomb.

SPEAKER_02 11:21

And got my bear spray, just me by myself with my headlamp and bear spray. Yeah. By yourself, nobody came with you? Well, Matt and Shane were still off gallabing things. They were still gone too, but you were worried about Hammer because he was by himself. Yeah, well, she was kind of worried about them too because they like to bushwhack and go off trail and do, you know, adventury boy things. So she was staying there to see if they came back. I was going to rescue my husband. Turns out he didn't need rescuing. I got like 15 minutes up the trail and I was calling him. I'm like, hammer, hammer. And finally he's like, what? Oh, that would be scary though. It was. Um, here's what I learned, Kara. We played the game while we were sitting around that we were able to have a campfire, which thank God. Because any kind of camping that does not involve a camper or a campfire, I have zero interest in. Like, no. The part of the point of camping is the campfire. It's the heart and soul. Um and we were allowed to have one because there was a pre-made fire ring. Oh, sweet. So, but we did have to, you know, go hunt for as it turned out, you were in a backpackers campground.

SPEAKER_05 12:41

You were in a fully designated campground area. Yes. You you hiked in, made camp at the backpackers' campground, and then you just did day trips from there and back.

SPEAKER_02 12:51

Which is luxurious. What else? What I did I do have a little insight because I had to ask on the phone, what else was there at the campground that you were really excited about? A composting toilet. Yay! Yay! Actually, it wasn't even a composting one, it's some kind of snazzy new one that's called a urine-diverting toilet. Wow. As sexy as it sounds. Um, but yeah, you go and then you step on this um like foot pedal thing, and it's like a conveyor belt that takes your things away. Way. But the moral of the story is you didn't have to dig a hole with a shared shovel. Correct. And even having just that toilet told me all I need to know about how I would feel about having to use the shovel if that were what was going on.

SPEAKER_04 13:43

Okay.

unknown 13:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:44

Some insight into how much worse it could have been. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And when we were sitting around, we were playing the game, what's your favorite part of backpacking slash what's your least favorite? Oh, like high low. Yeah, part of backpacking. All my favorite things about backpacking are things that I can do car camping. Like the fire, like sitting around the fire. The fire, like hiking to beautiful places. Sure, we were in like seven miles, but you and I walk all the time and walk long distances, like hiking in seven miles in a day and hiking out, like that's not a big deal. We could see all those beautiful things. That's a big day, but if I'm shoes, I'd probably doable. Yeah, it's doable. I'd survive it. Yeah. And we'd be like, wow, what a sense of accomplishment. We hiked 14 miles. What a big day. Let's go get a beer. Jesus. Yeah. Um, did you end up taking wine?

unknown 14:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:37

Or did you pour hammer? I

Rain Day Worries And Camp Safety

SPEAKER_02 14:40

took whiskey. Um, and it worked out kind of well for me because Hammer had brought some lemons in case he got any fish that were big enough. But also, I just don't think he has it in him to like take them out of the rivers, even if they are big enough. I mean, in the decades that I have known this man, he's always been an avid fight fly fisherman, and I've never seen him not catch and release. He always puts them back and he always makes sure that they like massages them in the water so and makes sure they swim away. And yeah. So he had brought these lemons, and he was like, Well, it's in case we decide to, you know, grill some fish. And I'm like, Yeah, sure, bro, whatever. So the last couple nights, like I was like, Can I have one of your lemons? He was like, Yes. And then the very last night, can I have the other lemon? Because it was cold and camping hot toddies. Oh, that's the jam. Okay, what's in a hot toddy? Because I don't do whiskey lemon and hot water. Oh. So, like all the ingredients you had. Like sweetener in it, but I don't. I made one and then everyone. Because I do love like lemon is my favorite thing. I have a glass of water here that's got a shitload of lemon in it. I'm drinking an unsweetened with lemon urba mate. That almost makes me want to try a hot toddy. I'll make one for you. Maybe in Maine. And then it'll be terrible, and I'll make you drink it. I'll love it. Whiskey and lemon, two of my very most favorite things. Um, so that worked out well. Yeah. Except that once I made one and it was good, then everyone else wanted one. Even my husband, who who also doesn't like whiskey, and his sister, who also doesn't like whiskey, they tried it and they were like, that's not that bad, and it's like perfect for camping. And I was like, all right. Um, so what else? Oh, my sweet sister-in-law, who I adore. Her favorite thing about backpacking is the like getting up and moving every single day, like packing up your whole situation and getting that pack on and being on the trail. That's her absolute favorite. I think I would kind of like setting my stuff down and letting it stay there. Yes. I like the setting it down a lot. Well, and also we're camp, or we're hiking through all these like incredibly beautiful areas, but I feel like you don't get to really take it in and enjoy all the beauty when you have this 30 plus pack. Because I know when I was walking, it was like super rocky, and yeah, it was a trail, but sometimes it was barely a trail. And you're, you know, scampering over rocks. I was so concerned about like my balance being a little bit different and looking at where my next footfall was gonna be. So I didn't trip and drop this pack and my face. That's just how I live my life every day.

SPEAKER_03 17:47

Just I might fall over a trip on something. So I'm always just looking at my footwork. Even when we're on sidewalks.

SPEAKER_02 17:55

That's why hiking doesn't really appeal to me as much because I'm just watching the ground in front of me the whole time. Even when you're just cruising on a trail.

SPEAKER_05 18:03

I mean, I'll glance up here and there, but I'm not taking in the beauty of the majesty of the peaks around me because I'm watching to make sure I don't break something.

SPEAKER_02 18:11

Well, it's also not like you're an accident prone person.

SPEAKER_05 18:16

What was the last time you I'm pretty good at catching myself because I do have pretty good like balance and coordination, but I I tripped going up some stairs on Sunday after our golf tournament.

SPEAKER_01 18:29

I was hammered, granted. But I I trip I slammed my foot into the stairs and kind of tripped and fell forward going up some stairs at the pizza place here in town. Um it hurt. It hurt.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

But I sort of I didn't actually fall. You cried mostly or oh, I'm so used to that shit. It's like whatever. My dad used to call me Gracie growing up. Oh um, yeah, I love your husband. I never want to see that backpack again as long as I fucking live. Did you use the the poles though? I carried the poles. You didn't use the poles? Because that helps so much with the like I tried. I tried with the polls. Okay, it didn't work for you. Okay. I asked my

Campfire Highs Bear Boxes Plus Food

SPEAKER_02 19:10

18-year-old nephew. I was like, are the poles kind of are they nerdy?

SPEAKER_05 19:14

And he was like, Okay, of course he's gonna say they're nerdy. Well no, here's what he said.

SPEAKER_02 19:19

He's he's like, kinda. He's like, but I mean, I mean, it'd be nerdy if I did it. Like if you did it. I was like, oh, because I'm an old lady? Because you're sneaking up to the fringe of 50? Yeah. He's like, no, I mean, you know, if you want to use them, like it's cool.

SPEAKER_03 19:37

Well, I don't care what anybody says.

SPEAKER_01 19:39

We had calf dome a handful of years ago, and we stayed at a backpackers campground also. So I don't really count that as backpacking because we were we set our stuff down and then we went up calf dome and then we came back and spent the night again.

SPEAKER_02 19:50

But I I was totally into those uh poles, especially going downhill when there was like something to navigate going downhill with because my balance was off with the pack and it was probably heavier than it should have been. I I did try using them merely because I didn't want to feel like I schlepped them in for absolutely no reason, but I just ended up carrying them. Okay. Well, and then to each their own. You weren't your own. Yeah. Um okay. How did the food situation pan out? What did you there was a lot of debate. Okay, first of all, there was a lot of debate about what to eat. Um, Jeremy had some strategies that he had employed. I don't think you guys ended up going on that route.

SPEAKER_05 20:32

You went with the like pre-packaged MREs. The MREs, yeah. And but then there was also some debate when I left. I never heard how this panned out. When I left, you and Hammer were both talking about taking your own bear can and putting all your own things in your own bear can.

SPEAKER_02 20:46

But then you found out that Chris and Matt and um Shane, the three of them were sharing one bear can and your competitive side kind of kicked in, and you were like, well, now we have to share a bear can because there's only two of them. Not only, okay, so we shared a bear can, but we also put stuff in a bag for night one because we were like, well, if it's night one, we're gonna be eating it so we don't have to put it in the bear can. Okay. Thank God this place also had bear boxes.

SPEAKER_03 21:15

How different would your strategies have been?

SPEAKER_05 21:18

How did you know we would have done?

SPEAKER_02 21:20

I honestly have no idea.

SPEAKER_05 21:21

You brought whatever you wanted and put it in the bear box. You would have avoided so much anxiety had you known you could just do whatever the fuck you wanted.

SPEAKER_02 21:27

We brought way too much food. Shocking. I really overestimated the amount of snacking that I was gonna want to do throughout the day. Was Hammers' um contribution of the three giant salamis? Was that enough salami for you guys? It was the two giant salamis, too many. The other so Chris and Matt also brought one of those giant like chub salamis that are not sliced, it's just a cylindrical. Chuck. You gotta cut that off with your with your knife, your pocket knife. Yeah, but you can't slice it thin. It's still gonna be like No, I know. And this is the argument that you and Hammer had right before I left was I heard him look like you were like, why do we have so much salami?

SPEAKER_05 22:14

And he's trying to, you know, he's trying to provide for you on this trip. And you're like, I don't even eat salami. And he's like, What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_02 22:20

In the last 20 years, when have you ever seen me eat salami? I don't even really like salami. And he's like, You buy it all the time. I'm like, for you for you.

SPEAKER_05 22:29

But also, but also I'm with you on very, very thinly sliced peppered salami. That's the only way I will do that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:38

But if you're handing me a giant log of pig meat, and I'm supposed to just slice it off and and chew it, that's not happening. That's enough for me, dog. Yeah. I can't slice it thin enough to make that work for me. Yeah, and you gotta have a meat slicer, like a proper deli meat slicer. Yeah. Which I do not know. And that's not nobody's packing that out. Although on the way in, I had my little like thing of whiskey that I put in one of those like silicone soft bags. Um, Hammer had some silicone soft bags. Also, Hammer packed in three bottles of wine. Good for him. Good for him. Man after my own heart. Good for all of us. Good for all of us, because he everybody drank your whiskey, so then you could have some wine, right? Yeah. Yeah. His pack was way too heavy. It was stupid. The whole how what was your base weight? Do you know what you guys' base weight was? How much I weigh? Or like, or like, I don't know. I think your base weight is without your food. But what did your pack leave? What did you leave with on your back? Uh twenty, it was like twenty seunds, and then I'm sure there was a couple more pounds that of like shit I just threw in later.

SPEAKER_05 23:53

It seems like not that bad to me. I feel like you d you guys.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

Was it probably right around 30? It was probably around 30 pounds. They say it's supposed to be 20%. Well, according according to my sister-in-law, she says that optimal is 20% of your body weight. Okay. Well, I don't math, but that seems like pretty much. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you because I think I know we're about the same weight. Yeah, we are. We're like almost exactly the same weight. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay. That would be 26 pounds. Yeah. Well, we were a little low. So you were really close, but so way too many snacks, way too many like bars, way too much trail mix. So was there a store at the like send-off location where you parked the cars? Was there like a store of any kind? Tuolamee Meadows, yes. That's where we got a beer the night before. So if you had wanted to, you could have hiked back to Tuolame Meadows and gotten what you needed and then hiked back. Like, worst case. Yeah, yeah. It would have been a long day, but you were like seven miles in, right? No, not really, because when we were hiking out, Shane and I were like, let's just go. Let's just get this done. It was it's like seven miles. We're like, and we were at the car in two hours and 15 minutes. Oh wow. So you could have, knowing what you know now, you would have maybe gone on the lighter side. Hiked back to the car and slept in the car. Maybe. Just each day, my only excursion is I go get a beer at the restaurant and come back. That's all I do each day. Uh no, we took some great hikes. Um, I got to see my husband in his happy place on a river, you know, a high mountain river, fly fishing. Um, I read some good books.

SPEAKER_05 25:57

Okay. So I sent you off with two recommendations. Yes. That I was trying to finish up at the same time. I had already finished the housemaid. I had already finished the first housemaid and had worked and the second one. And then I've I'm having a hard time getting into the third one because I think I just burned myself out a little bit. Sure. But so I sent you off with the housemaid and with the change.

SPEAKER_02 26:19

Yes. The change I did first. Okay. And how did you like that? Loved it. Loved. So fun. I want to be Harriet when I grow up. I'm getting pretty close with the plants. I feel like I'm well on my way. Yeah. I loved Harriet. I have lots of great characters. Oh, I think I just did that thing. Um I have lots of witchy books on. Oh, look, look, look what's right here.

SPEAKER_04 26:45

Blackthorne's Botanical Magic.

SPEAKER_02 26:48

You are Harriet. So am I.

SPEAKER_05 26:51

I'm definitely not Harriet. I have I can I barely am keeping that plant alive that I bought two weekends ago with you.

SPEAKER_02 26:57

And you're supposed to be I

Camp Reads Books And Cards

SPEAKER_02 27:00

know it's a pothos or whatever. And they're supposed to be It's a Heartleaf philodendron, which is kind of a pothos, and it should be very easy to keep alive. Are you overwatering it? I've watered it once since I got home.

SPEAKER_05 27:11

Okay, that's probably great. I did move it from a corner in the living room that didn't have a ton of light into I put it by the window to see if maybe that would help.

SPEAKER_02 27:19

But I just I just can barely just give it some time. You know, when you first move it, it's gonna be like, ah, this is my new home. Okay, it's gonna take a minute to like figure it out, but don't keep moving it all. So I cut those long ones. She had already, I feel like they no, you don't need to cut those yet. Okay. Okay. Well, let's just give it some time. Leave it alone, water it. It's probably been pretty warm there. I would water it It's inside. Oh yeah, you have AC, huh? Um It hasn't been above 76 in the house. Okay. Uh water it probably every 10 days. Okay, so it might be getting up on dew again because it felt kind of light when I brought it home, so I might have watered it like two or three days. And when you water it, put it in the sink and water it like till the water comes out the bottom. Yeah, I do I do that. I'm you know, we'll just give it some time then. It's it's yeah, it's gonna be so you're Harriet, you're Harriet in the change. Uh who would I be?

SPEAKER_03 28:20

Am I the one that burns people with her hands?

SPEAKER_02 28:22

With her kind of, yeah, the righteous rage.

SPEAKER_03 28:25

I'm definitely not like the ghost whisperer. She's too nice, way too sweet.

SPEAKER_02 28:30

Yeah, yeah. I think you might be righteous rage. Righteous rage. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. You're you that totally. I'm not the plant whisperer either. No, I really, really uh enjoyed it. It's fun, it's easy, it's not like, you know. Yeah. That's really good. Anything, anything like surprise you or shock you, or jump out at you? Uh, surprised me or shocked me or jumped out at me. I mean, let's be honest. They there's a whole like Ghlaine Maxwell Epstein thing happening, which you can kind of see coming a mile away. Um, she was too, I'm like, that bitch, something's going on with her. She's fishy. Something's wrong. And special and him too. He's like hanging with all those people and he just hates them. Nah, dog. Yeah. Um, but I very much enjoyed it and I passed it on to Chris. Oh, good. How was the other thing? Thank God I had brought a Kindle. Christine, who loves to read, thought about bringing a book, but then she didn't want the wait. She didn't bring a Kindle. So days, you know, there was a day where I was like, well, I'm gonna lay here on this rock in the sun and read 17 books.

SPEAKER_01 29:49

And what did she do?

SPEAKER_02 29:50

Just like meditate or yeah, went on hikes. She didn't bring any. I was like, Did you bring a journal? Um, they did bring cards, and then like I felt bad reading, so I had her teach me to play hearts. Oh, I I don't know how to play that. Is that fun? Uh yeah, it was fun. Well, you really need to play with like three or more people, and it was just the two of us. So we had a fake person that we like saw their cards and played with the fake person. I now know one card game. You don't play rummy? I don't know how to play rummy. Oh, I'm gonna teach you how to play rummy when we go to rummy. I know how to play rummy cube, like with the little cubes. I see. It's very similar. It's similar, yeah. I could probably figure it out. We'll buy some cards because we buy cards everywhere we go. We'll buy some cards in Maine. Maybe at that liquor store, at that haunted liquor store. Bunghole liquors? Yes. Maybe we'll card at the cards. I got carded at the bunghole. Oh, this is gonna be so fun. Okay, but before we move on to Maine, yeah. What did you think of the other book, The Housemaid? Because it was very different. It is very different. I felt like the first third to half, I was waiting for something to happen. I was waiting for it to get going. I was like, we already know something's gonna happen. Let's get it going. Um, and then once things started getting going, I liked that a lot also. Great story. I loved the twist. Yeah. Um and the movie's coming out. Oh, really? Oh yeah, it's already been filmed.

SPEAKER_05 31:35

I think it's coming out like in December, maybe. It's um Scarlett Johansson and who's the other one that looks like her? Let me just look really quick.

SPEAKER_02 31:43

Oh, uh, the other one that looks like her is I think you're thinking of the one who's married to the dude from the office, maybe. I don't know who you're talking about. Her name is come to me. Emily Blunt. Uh no, it is not, but I love her. Oh, it is Sydney Sweeney. Oh, and wait, who did I say was the other person? Scarlett J. I was off. I no, I I'm full of shit. That's not who it is. It's Sydney Sweeney and Amanda Seafried. Okay, I know who who's Sydney Sweeney? That name sounds familiar. What's she been in? She just got, I think she was just getting roasted for some gap commercial she maybe just did. Oh. The one about having good jeans as a like white blonde lady. Oh, don't do that, Sydney Sweeney. But what has she been in besides a Oh, I don't know. Let's see. Besides an illness, she was in um Euphoria, Anyone But You, The Voyeurs, Immaculate, The White Lotus. Oh, who did she play in the White Lotus? Oh, she was the daughter. Yes. The first one where they were in Hawaii. She's the daughter who brought the friend, and the friend and Yes. Yes. Okay. That's who that is. It's all coming together. Amanda Seafried is I think that's how you say it. Yeah, I think she's yeah, I know who she is. They could do kind of look alike. I think they kind of look alike, but. I wonder who's gonna be who. It was in Mama Mia. Oh, she was in a lot of, she's been a lot of. One of them's supposed to be like kind of chonky. Um, let's see. They're all this is Hollywood. No one's chonky.

SPEAKER_05 33:31

Um, Sydney Sweeney is Mealy, and Amanda Seafried is Nina.

SPEAKER_02 33:38

So there's Enzo. That's what I want to know. Uh Michael Marone, who I have never seen before. I don't know who Enzo is. And I don't know who Brandon Sklender? Brandon Sklener is Andrew. That is an unfortunate name. Show me a picture of it. I'm probably not, I'm probably not saying it right. This is Brandon Sklener. I mean, he's not what I would have picked. He's got that smarmy thing. I could see it. And then this is this is Enzo. Ooh, hello, Enzo. Hello, Enzo. Tall, dark, emotionally unavailable. That's what I like.

SPEAKER_03 34:18

And those are really like the only characters in the book. I mean, yeah, there was like her like tertiary.

SPEAKER_02 34:26

Suzanne or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. But um, yeah. Um, good. I enjoyed it not as much as the first one, obviously. Okay. But if the second movie came out, it's worth reading. And if the second movie came out, I would watch it. Okay. But it wasn't as good as the first one. Okay. Um, let me just say, I'm not trying to discourage anyone who's interested in backpacking from going. Godspeed. Everyone should try it. Sometimes you gotta try something to see if you know if you love it or don't love it.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

So if if you were asked to go on another trip and you knew that there would be composting toilets, and if it was the same situation, would you go again?

SPEAKER_02 35:14

Knowing what you know now about what food to pack and what would you do differently? No, you just you'd be like, nah, nah, dog, I'm good. I'd be like, I'm gonna stay over at the campground and I'll hike in and hang out with you guys and maybe spend like one night. Like if Jeremy, if Jeremy for his 50th birthday, um, he'll be listening to this by the way, because I told him he had to hear about your trip. Emotional blackmail. This is the emotional blackmail that's coming.

SPEAKER_03 35:41

I don't want to give him any ideas, but for his 50th birthday, if he was like, I want to do a backpacking trip with Hammer and Christmas and you

Would You Ever Backpack Again

SPEAKER_03 35:50

know, mask not in Chris, maybe or like Okay, well, if you were going, that's a way, way different situation. He's like, he's like, nah, Kara, you can't go.

SPEAKER_02 36:01

Then no Jeremy for being a bad husband.

SPEAKER_03 36:04

No, yeah, I would obviously be there.

SPEAKER_02 36:06

He's not getting nah, yeah. Maybe that's how he would get out of celebrating with me. Or both of us. Yeah. He's like, how can I what kind of trip could I plan? I mean, one or two. That was the other thing. You know, Hammer and I had talked about backpacking before, and I had expressed, you know, trepidation. No trepidation. He's like, Yeah, we'll just go out like one or two nights. Like this was four nights. Okay. Yeah. I mean, four nights is a lot even for camping, because you just really want to shower by that point. Did you? And some people jump in a mountain lake, but I'm not really about that life. I did not. No one did. It was so freaking cold. Even my husband, who loves being in mountain water, he just like dunked his head in. Did you guys take like um It was Did you take baby wipes so you could do like a horse bath or anything? Yeah, did I use them? No. No. I used them to wash my face, but I didn't even horsebath it. I was just disgusting. We were doing a fair bit of walking and adventuring on our trip to Alaska, and we went, we both went an entire week without showering or wiping. Well, we're garbage parts. Everyone knows that we're garbage people. I was impressed with this. I kind of listened to it.

SPEAKER_05 37:20

And you didn't even smell bad. I I can't say you smelled bad because you know we can't smell it.

SPEAKER_02 37:24

Oh my god, but Kara, when we got back, so after we got back into civilization, we stayed two nights in Yosemite Valley because it was my mother-in-law's 75th birthday. She drove up. We they stayed at the they stayed at the Awani, which is beautiful. I know, so fancy. Spent a good amount of time there with mom. So as soon as I got there, I started crying. Um it was fine. Uh, we stayed at the Yosemite Lodge, and then the next night we all stayed at the Tanaya Lodge, which is gorgeous. Love, love, love. Had never been there. Anyways, all that to say, when we got to the hotel and I took off my clothes, I like made the mistake of smelling my own clothes. I almost passed out. I had to put them in like a hermetically sealed Ziploc bag. I was like, this cannot be opened until it's going directly into the washing machine. This is disgusting. I took the longest shower of all time. I made Hammer go first. I was like, you get in the shower because I don't want to feel like I'm on any kind of time constraints. I'm gonna be a very thorough soper. I'm getting into some nooks and crannies, bro. Did you wash your hair? Yes. I did. It was great. Uh, that's the best.

SPEAKER_05 38:34

That is, yeah. I mean, I will say that is one of the beauties of that kind of experience, is how good getting clean feels afterwards.

SPEAKER_02 38:41

Oh, I was like, hot running water, color me grateful. Now, how does Hammer feel about you smelling bad? I don't think he thinks that I smell bad. I don't see Jeremy, I don't think Jeremy does either. Like the worse I smell, the happier he is. I think honestly, I think he kind of likes it. Jeremy does, definitely, which I appreciate. Gross, yeah, sure. I'm like, great. That works out well.

SPEAKER_05 39:05

Yeah, like I'll go up and put my armpit in his face and be like, how am I doing? How bad is it? And he'll tell me how bad it is, but also he's like, He's all so bad it's good.

SPEAKER_03 39:14

We've turned the corner.

SPEAKER_02 39:15

Yeah. Um, well, I will be happy to hand off his backpack back to him. It served me well. I mean, it did it did the job. Well, I'm glad that you didn't have to go out and buy a bunch of ultralight stuff because you're not going to be using it again. I would have returned it. I would have just been I thought about returning the sleeping pad and then I just threw it in with our camping stuff because if Hammer ever wants to go backpacking again, he was like, Your pad is so much wider and thicker and comfier. So he could take behemoth. Oh, I yeah, yeah. I was like, this is the one Kara told me to get. Like, I know what I'm talking about. Well, you know, you know what you should not use, and that is something like this. That's that thin, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:06

Well, I think Jeremy doesn't have well, you don't really have hips either. I was thinking, like, if I wanted to weigh on my side, I need some cushion.

SPEAKER_02 40:14

I definitely had some cushion, but also like the the back packet's supposed to be up around your waist so it's resting on your hip bones, which I didn't know when they were like, is it on your hips? I thought it was like around my hips. So oh, it's supposed to like carry the weight of it, sort of. Yeah. Because I mean, you do have hips, you just have narrow hips. Yeah. Um, but I worked it out, and uh that is the end of my backpacking career. Career. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:43

You're a retired backpacker.

SPEAKER_02 40:46

Fully retired. My pension should be coming through anytime now. Um, I hope my sister-in-law doesn't listen to this and get all heartbroken because it was fun. There were parts of it that were super fun. It's just that's not. I would way rather car camp. Oh, I'm sure she would understand. It's I would way rather go to the place that we go together that we're not allowed to talk about.

SPEAKER_03 41:09

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:10

Our our secret, super secret camping place where we stay in little little houses and don't actually don't actually camp. Yeah, glamping. I'm all about that glamping life. Yeah. I I do my other favorite thing about camping. Sorry to hijack your sentence. But my other favorite thing about camping is the meal planning and like cooking delicious things out, you know, over a fire or camping's a lot of work. I think. Camping's a lot of work. Yeah, I like that work. I like having a cooler so you can cook delicious things that require a vegetable. Yeah. The my favorite part of camping is like just the togetherness, the hanging out with the people. Yeah, the sitting around the campfire. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 41:54

And then I Jeremy got really mad at me when we went backpacking at Half Dome because he had planned this whole trip and it was a lot of work. He had to get the permits, which was not easy. And he was planning this whole trip. And um, it was our our friends got engaged on the top of Half-Dome. It was like he he was carrying the ring so that it, you know.

SPEAKER_02 42:12

Oh my god, how stressful. I know he was really he was really stressed that I was gonna find it and blow everything, which thanks for the vote of confidence, bro. I was actually really mad that he didn't tell me that was happening. But anyway, do you think he would have blown it? No, I'm way too tactful for that. What does he think you were gonna do? Be like, so what do you think's gonna happen at the top? Jeremy, where is this giant diamond ring?

SPEAKER_03 42:34

What is this doing in your bag? Is this for me since we're already married and it's clearly an engagement ring?

SPEAKER_02 42:41

Anyway, I don't know what he thought. I'm still mad that he had no confidence in me, but whatever. Anyway, he he put a lot of planning and effort into that trip. And on the way back, he was asking everybody, like, what was your favorite part of the trip? And I said that my favorite part of the trip was the vegetarian lasagna, the MRE.

SPEAKER_03 42:59

And he actually got mad at me. Like he wasn't speaking to me on the way home because I mean, I was kind of kidding, but it was really good also.

SPEAKER_02 43:05

Like when you're that hungry, I was really it was really good. And he was legitimately upset with me. That was one of the things I brought on your recommendation. And how did you like the vegetarian lasagna? When I made it home, it was great. When I made it out there, I used too much water. Oh. This is the other thing with backpacking. I don't like how high the stakes are. I don't like that, like you drop one water filter lid and you're fucked because you have no clean water. Yeah. You knock over one of your MREs onto the ground before you get the hot water poured into it, which I did, you're fucked. Or you could be if you didn't overpack. Simple missteps, a lot of high stakes. That's part of what some people probably enjoy, right?

SPEAKER_03 43:51

Like we're out here, we're just we're just surviving like the old days. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:56

I like my creature comforts. If you gave me the choice between like a week. End of backpacking and a weekend of like staying in a nice hotel in a funny city.

SPEAKER_02 44:05

Oh, yeah, I would totally want the Yawani. Plus, like, I love hotel sex. So there's that. Yeah, great. I mean, who doesn't love hotel sex? Yeah. Tent sex? No. That's not. Didn't happen. That doesn't happen. That's not a fun thing that you do up to the city. Oh, Hammer track. He was like, Oh. And I was like, absolutely not. No. And I mean, yes, that sounds great. But also, I'm not defiling Jeremy's sleeping bag for launch. He appreciates that. If he's listening, I'm sure he appreciates that. I was like, there is no way. I was like, also, it's cold, and we're not gonna both fit in your sleeping bag. Yeah. No, it's not practical. Do you want to sleep in a wet spot in the cold in your own sleeping bag? Also, my sister and brother-in-law and nephew are several feet away. Right there. These are not walls. This is like fabric. Mm-hmm. No, I get it's I I wouldn't. It's it's not the time or the place. I was like, this is this, I couldn't feel less sexy right now, guy. Yeah. I'm definitely not in the mood. I'm like, whatever the opposite of the mood is, that's what I'm in. Yeah. Yeah. I'm out of the mood. I just thought so. Oh, it's someone walking by your oh, it must be perfect. That was somebody walking by my window.

SPEAKER_03 45:25

You somebody just walking my window and Chris just turns around and was like, who's there?

SPEAKER_02 45:30

Hey, I never said I was the smartest. Yeah.

unknown 45:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:34

That was we leave on our trip in like 11 days. Yes. Pivot. So this is, I mean, I love a I love a good trip.

SPEAKER_05 45:42

And I've learned something about myself having traveled a little bit more with you in the last couple of years. First of all, we travel really well together.

SPEAKER_01 45:48

You're super easy to travel with. The best.

SPEAKER_05 45:51

And I like I need my home time too. I I think I spent so much time at home and like doing the mom thing for so long that I just had this itch to go and travel. And now I've gotten like that out of my system a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 46:02

And I feel like one or two fun trips a year is like enough for me. I don't have to be going all the time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:09

But but this is okay. So this is what what are you most excited about for the trip to Maine? Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_02 46:16

We're like, we're less than two weeks away. 12 days. 12 days. 12 days. Yeah. Um well, I know you and I are gonna do nothing but laugh our asses off every single day for like eight days straight. We're everything we're gonna have, we're gonna have the most ripped abs from laughing. Gonna have eight pack.

Planning The Maine Portland Salem Trip

SPEAKER_05 46:41

What I'm looking forward to least is two things. Getting up in the morning the day that I have to fly out of Sacramento because it's gonna be early.

SPEAKER_02 46:48

Same.

SPEAKER_05 46:48

And I do this, I oh every time I do this, I say I'm not gonna do it, and I end up doing it. But there was really no way around it to get to the East Coast from the West Coast without spending the night somewhere in Seattle or getting in hell of late, which we didn't want to do. Yeah. So I'm not looking forward to getting up early because my family's still sleeping and that really sucks.

SPEAKER_02 47:11

And then I'm not looking forward to like the dopamine deficit when I get home. Well, you're already dreading the come down. I am. I'm I am because I know it's gonna happen and I don't have another trip to look forward to.

SPEAKER_05 47:23

And I'm gonna come home. We're gonna laugh and we're gonna have fun and all these novel experiences, and then I'll come home and I'll be happy to be home, but also I'll be like, my my brain will just be depleted of dopamine. It's just science.

SPEAKER_02 47:35

Okay, well, you know what we'll do? We'll plan something fun while we're there for after we're there. Okay. All right, I like that plan. You like that? I do. I like that plan. Okay, cool, cool. All right. Um, I'm excited for the food. Super excited for the food. I think I'm that might be what I'm most excited for. Yes. Seafood apalooza. Portland is supposed to be a mecca for for good food. And you got all these recommendations from your friend Kainoa. Yep. And we kind of know like where we're gonna go. I'm super excited for Salem and finding hopefully a medium. So excited for Salem. Witchy time in Salem. It's gonna be. I'm not so much looking forward to the crowds in Salem. I've uh well I'm everything we've heard is that it's absolutely insanity. Yes. I mean, we will be there on a weekend. So we I think we get to Salem on a Saturday. No, weekday. We're there on week. No. Really? I think so, because we go to Portland first. But you know what? I yeah, you might be right. We fly home on a Wednesday, though. And we're only home two or three nights. We fly home from Seattle on a Wednesday, and we're staying the night in Seattle. Saturday night, Sunday night, Monday night. Yep. Yep. I think well that's fine. That's fine. At least we'll have Monday that won't be super busy. But also, it's the very beginning of October. So things will just be kind of starting to get into full swing. And if we just expect that there might be a lot of people there. And if there'll be a lot of people, we're gonna park and walk everywhere. We don't have to drive anywhere in Seattle or in Salem. Yeah. So once we get a parking spot, we're money. Uh it sounds like we should probably make some dinner reservations. Yeah. I'm not worried about Portland as much, but we probably should for Salem. Yeah. I feel like there are so many options in Portland, and it's it's going to be during the week, except for Friday. Yeah. So it probably won't be a big deal. Also, we're two people and we love sitting at the bar. So we can just be like Oh, that's true. We can always sidle up. Sidle up, yeah. Yeah. I mean, when we went to Alaska, do we sit at a single table? Yeah, only when we had to do like fancy dinners on the boat. Right. But I don't think when we went to restaurants, we sat at a single table. I can't think of one. Why would we? You get way better service at the bar. They got eyes on you at all times. Yeah. You get to chat with the people. That's your favorite part.

SPEAKER_05 50:16

Yeah. I one of the things I love about traveling with you is that you can talk to anybody and you like it.

SPEAKER_03 50:22

And so I have to kind of be in the mood these days. I I feel like I was much better when I was younger, but now you can just sit there like this.

SPEAKER_02 50:28

I'm like, why are you talking to me? Go away. But you carry that for me. You make it easy. I will be the official spokesperson for Kara. I'll chime in when I need to. Yeah. And another thing. I just bought tickets for next year, May 1st through 3rd, to the uh Murder She Wrote Festival in Mendocino.

SPEAKER_04 50:55

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 50:57

Yeah, your Christmas is a giant fan of Murder She Wrote. I'm just getting started. I've I've only I'm in I'm an episode and a half in on the first season. Um disappointing. I know. I'm sorry, but like the later seasons are the best ones. Well, so I don't have to watch all the first ones to understand what's going on in the later ones, right? No, but there are characters that you'll need to know who they are, and the way they're introduced sometimes I think is important.

SPEAKER_04 51:33

Sorry. Hold on, let me let me hold on, let me see something. I feel like there has to be a way to skip a bunch of the episodes and just get to the good stuff. Oh wow. Oh yeah, wow.

SPEAKER_02 51:56

This is the complete box set, Kara. Christmas has the complete DVD box set. Yeah, you and you what are there like 12 seasons? 12 seasons. You can't even get those anymore, huh? They're because also there's there's two different like the sheriff in town is a major player, and there's two different sheriffs depending on what season. There's one okay.

SPEAKER_03 52:21

Is he the same character? And they swapped out the actor.

SPEAKER_02 52:24

No, no, completely. Or he's a different sheriff. There's a different sheriff in town. Yeah. Uh oh god, some of these are just so good in season one. Just because there's so many great uh guest stars. Caesar Romero, TV's Batman and Broadway legend, Robert Goulet. Goulet, that's a good one. Um Dick Butt Bruce Jenner. Bruce Jenner's in one. Season one. Yeah. The artist formerly known. Linda Blair from The Exorcist. Yeah, just you just gotta do it. Sorry.

SPEAKER_05 53:04

We'll sort it out. I'll let you decide what you want me to. I mean, I'm running out of time to get really caught up. Yeah, you are. I I just it's hard because I don't spend a lot of time sitting around watching TV unless I'm watching TV with Jeremy and Parker in the evenings.

SPEAKER_02 53:19

Right. And if I'm cooking, I watched that whole lifetime. Yeah, you're you're this was part of your childhood. And I missed that for some time. It's part of my whole life. Um I'll pick some good ones. I'm trying to figure out. There's some there's some really terrible slash great made-for-TV movies. Um that are murder she wrote movies. Those are over there. I'll just stick, oh, you have them. Yeah, but I'm not bringing an external DVD player on our trip either. Right. No, we'll download you can get them all on Prime. I'll I'll download it. You could and then you couldn't, and now I think you can again. There was a while when you have the technology, we'll sort it out. And I'm sure after they pulled it, there was villagers with pitchforks. There was outrage. There was people have spoken. They want their murder shoe wrote.

SPEAKER_05 54:17

Bring back Fletcher. Oh, you know what else I'm really excited about for this trip?

SPEAKER_02 54:24

What?

SPEAKER_05 54:24

Yahtzee.

SPEAKER_02 54:25

Oh, so much Yahtzee. So much Yahtzee. So much karahtze. So much karahtze. I am excited. Yahtzee and plain Yahtzee. Um, I know all the leaf peepers in the world are like, what about the colors and the leaves? Which I am very excited about. Foliage. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's going to be some beautiful scenery. I mean, we'll just be we're going to go to Acadia National Park too. Yeah. And I know we kind of debated how much driving we want to do. I debated how much driving you wanted to do. I don't, you know, I don't, I love, I don't mind driving at all. I know you don't. Um and I'm I rented my own car there, meaning it's the same car I drive at home. So I will be perfectly comfy and cozy in that vehicle. Yeah. Do you think we should definitely do the Acadia thing and see some of the seats?

SPEAKER_05 55:16

Isn't there a town we want to see, or we want to maybe take a home and see Bahaba. Bahaba.

SPEAKER_02 55:21

Oh, I'm excited for the accents too. I love I love Nice Coast accents. Very excited for the accents. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:30

So that's, I guess everybody's caught up.

SPEAKER_04 55:33

I don't have anything to I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 55:37

There's always something I want to add, and now I don't remember what it is. Um but there's always we'll figure it out. Yeah. Um I will tell your husband. Oh, what should I I want to get Jeremy a thank you present. What would he like? Should I just put in like an REI gift card into his backpack? Like what would make him happy? You don't have to get him anything. He'll be all weird about it. But it's I want to.

SPEAKER_04 56:04

What would he not feel weird about? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 56:09

I don't know. Napa auto parts? What is no I love a gift card just because people can get whatever they want.

SPEAKER_04 56:19

I don't know. Let me think about it. I let me think about it. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 56:26

He's gonna be like, no, no, he'll he won't want that. He'll feel bad.

SPEAKER_01 56:31

He'll feel weird.

SPEAKER_02 56:31

Don't don't ask him.

SPEAKER_05 56:33

I'm not gonna ask him. Okay. He'll tell me because then I'll be in charge of making you not do it.

SPEAKER_02 56:39

Yeah, yeah. That ain't happening. So I'll just let me think about it. Oh, question. Did um did you show Sky, your friend Skye, who I adore, your Auburn hat? Uh yes. And so here's the deal with that hat. So when we were, well, for anybody listening, because we are still recording and I probably won't cut this out. Great. When we were at Mill, not I keep saying Mill Valley, but it was Mountain View. When we were at Bartley Festival, um, there was a booth with some hats that are apparently very famous hats that Bartbridge up in your town or your. I didn't know about Bartbridge, but they have these hats and they're really cool, especially because the top of the patch is not sewn and you can put stuff in the top of the patch. You hide your drugs and your credit card in there. Yeah. You know me, what me and my drugs. So many drugs and credit cards. So uh I bought my Auburn hat, but we were like kind of wondering why Skye doesn't carry the Bartbridge hats in her store.

SPEAKER_05 57:33

And it's a uh regional thing. Somebody else in Auburn was carrying them. Oh and maybe still is. So there was one other location carrying them, and then the station started carrying them.

SPEAKER_02 57:45

So I think the station might still be carrying them. Um, and so she can't carry them. Interesting. Yeah, it's uh territory, it's territory based. Territorial. That's so interesting because I know a, I mean, maybe it's you can only have so many per capita or per population, because there's a ton of places in Sonoma County that carry them. But granted, there's like a couple in Healdsburg and a couple in Guernville, and she might just not have been that hung up on it because she has another distributor for really cute Auburn hats.

SPEAKER_01 58:21

I like I have one of her cute Auburn hats that is from the other company and I love it. It's super cute.

SPEAKER_02 58:26

Yeah. So I now have two Auburn hats, which Great. It's kind of weird. You never have too many. So I guess that's it. All right, I'm gonna um water today on my plants, and I need to do some plant potting, and I need to trim my trumpet vine. Like a really fun day. Oh, this is like the weekend. Oh, guess what I did yesterday? I can't even imagine. I put out my pumpkin scape on the front steps. 'Tis the season. Oh, well, you guys go, your neighborhood goes off for Halloween. Oh, God, it's insane. Yeah, it's insane. But I didn't put out all the pumpkins.

SPEAKER_05 59:18

I wonder if I would be different about that if we had lived, if I had ever lived in a neighborhood.

SPEAKER_01 59:24

Like where people always lived like on a rural road that doesn't have trick-or-treaters. I've never had a trick-or-treater in my life.

SPEAKER_02 59:31

I don't do it for the trick-or-treat treaters. I do it for me. Like I like seeing the pumpkins in the fall when I come home. So then I would still be me,

Fall Vibes Plants Pumpkins Petrichor

SPEAKER_02 59:40

even if I lived in the neighborhood. You would still be you, Kara. I would say you might feel more obligated to do something, but I do not do it out of obligation.

SPEAKER_01 59:50

Do you know what that would do for me?

SPEAKER_02 59:51

Do you know what that would do? It would make me not want to do it more. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, oh, you want me to do this because I'm supposed to do this? You want me to do this? Fuck these kids in their fun time. Fuck this candy holiday. Yeah, all the pumpkins are out. I mean, they announced like the the return of the pumpkin spice latte got announced like the same day that Taylor Swift got engaged. It's like White Girl Christmas came early, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:24

I did I do get a pumpkin spice latte every year. I got one on the way to your house. But I will say I got it iced and it wasn't as it wasn't the same.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:32

Okay, so the sweetener that I use is called sweet drops. It's like a stevia-based one. You know, it's like a hippie one. Yeah. Um, they make a pumpkin spice one. So I use that all year round. Wow. For me, pumpkin time is all year round. Every day is pumpkin time. Every day is pumpkin day. Yeah. Well, and I know you love a pumpkin curry. I do love a pumpkin curry. I made pumpkin curry last week or the week before.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:02

Um, it was, yeah, actually, I think I talked to you about the pumpkin situation.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:05

Did it rain at your house yesterday?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:07

No, it rained this morning, though, and it smells so good.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:09

That petrichore, I think it's called.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:12

Oh, wait, what's it called? I think it's called petrichor. That smell is called petrichure.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:16

Petrichore? Let me look it up, but I'm on. I hope so. I would love to know the word for that. What's your favorite smell? Puppy breath and petrichor?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:26

Yeah, petrichor.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:27

That's uh P-E-T-R-I-C-H-O-R, a pleasant smell that frequently accompanies the first rain after a long period of warm, dry weather. It's a chemical thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:37

Petrachore and puppy breath.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:39

Puppy breath and petrify. I had a dream smells. I had a dream a couple nights ago that a little like brown and white or brown and tan French b Frenchie followed me home.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:51

It was like two or three months old. Like it followed me home. And I was like, are you all alone? I must take you. I must care for you. And that was how I got my next dog. But I'm still mourning over Moose, so I can't go there yet.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:04

But your subconscious sure can. But I will tell you, yeah, I've already started researching. Mm-hmm. I bet you um and in my dreams, that's what's happening. I love that for you.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:19

I do too.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:20

I'm torn though, and maybe this is a discussion I'll have to have and just like settle into because I do want to adopt or rescue. Um, but I also like one of the barriers to having a pet for me is going places and doing things. And one of those places that I go to frequently is to your cottage to spend time with you and hammer. Yeah. And I can't bring a dog unless it's friends with Bertie.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:44

Yeah, but we could we could work it out. And have figure out something. Having like bringing more of a younger, like puppy age dog around Bertie would make it easier to make them be friends. But you can you can hold out and uh find a rescue or an adoptee that is younger. Younger. Or not, and we'll figure it out. Yeah. Figure it out. My little asshole will have to just work it out. But I do think she probably, like you said that puppies, she's not usually weird around puppies. No, she goes straight mama dog, usually. And then she if they grow up with relatively frequent contact, she would remember. I would think. I would think, yeah. Yeah. So we'll we'll sort that out. But I did, I did have a dream that a Frenchie followed me home. I dreamed a dream. A Frenchie came home. I'm obsessed. It's a problem. Are you still trying to are you use your words, Christmas? Petrichor. Petrichor. Are you checking a bag when we go on our trip and doing the whole whoop boop whoop boop?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:57

Oh God, I am nervous about.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:01

I am nervous about having to change planes in Seattle if I check a bag and getting my bag and getting to where I need to go and getting the bag checked. Right. It is not because it's not just changing planes, it is changing airlines. Probably. Uh is it? What are we flying? What are we flying to the East Coast? Alaska.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:24

I think I'm flying up on Alaska.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:26

Okay, but it's flying up on Alaska. Yeah, but it's not like our flight doesn't go from because we're coming from two different places and then we're together on a flight. So it's not like you just drop your bag and they transfer it for you. Right. No, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:40

I have to, if I if I check a bag, both of us, yeah, if we check a bag, we will have to get our bag from luggage, from the luggage claim carousel, and then

Checked Bags Overpacking And Airport Plans

SPEAKER_05 1:04:50

go to the gate where we're next flying and check it again so that it gets to our destination because it's not a connecting flight.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:58

We booked two separate flights that day. Correct. Um I know we have like two hours between the time we land, but also if if one of our flights is late, what will that how will that impact? I mean, it is first thing in the morning. I was gonna say I feel like first thing in the morning.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:17

I mean, they probably have like the that's a pretty short flight that they do all the time.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:23

Oh, from Santa Rosa to Seattle. Seattle also. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also Sacramento to Seattle back and forth all day. So I'm I'm I am right now leaning toward packing, um, checking a bag and doing my carry-on and a backpack. Good goddamn. Okay. I'm probably not bringing that much stuff. Because I want the backpack in case, like for day trips and stuff like that, if I want to bring a backpack, you know? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:49

And the the carry-on is just so much easier because it carries my backpack in the airport.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:54

And I don't have to carry it back. You're bringing you're bringing an entire suitcase just as a stand for your backpack. Pack. And in case I want to buy shit when I'm on and jackets.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:04

Like I might want to bring an extra jacket that's not my, you know, packable puffy.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:10

Right. Right. Right. You're not good for my overpacking. I can tell you. And sweatshirts and You're not good for my overpacking.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:18

And we're not staying in an Airbnb on this trip. So if we needed to, like, we're not doing laundry.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:24

Correct. Yeah. That is that's one thing I do love about Airbnb is I can just wash my clothes. I don't know if you're I I think you might be like this too, but I will bring if I'm staying, if we're gonna be gone like eight days or something like that, I will bring three times the number of underwear that I think I need. I bring underwear like I'm gonna shit my pants twice a day every single day. What?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:45

I've literally I have never gone through something close to all the underwear I bring, but it's almost like a like they're so small.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:53

I feel like I'm like, well, we'll just throw in what's 25 extra. Summon extra pairs. I've never gone through this much underwear in my life, but here we are. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:03

We're planning on some two.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:06

We're planning on some real underwear emergencies every single day.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:10

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:11

It's gonna be it's gonna be chaos. There is a company that makes a bigger carry-on that I was thinking about maybe checking out and seeing if I could make it work.

unknown 1:07:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:26

I have seen you have to repack your bag because it was too heavy. Like you had to redistribute things between your carry-on and your I don't recommend that you take a carry-on and try to have that be your only bag, that even if it's bigger, because you're gonna bring booze back for people and that's heavy. You that's true. You tend to buy things for people. I'm not worried about checking stuff on the way back because we don't have to we don't have to do the like turn and burn. We get to saddle. What are you gonna do? But you if you don't bring a carry-on, or if you don't check a bag on the way there, you're not gonna have a bag to check on the way back. Unless you bought a big thing. This is all sounding very logical, Kara. So I'll tell you what's gonna be uh I think I've decided I'm definitely gonna check one and I'm gonna just make that connection happen and it's not the universe is not gonna fuck with me on this trip.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:15

Yeah. It's just gonna be fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:17

Because I if I don't, I do not want to wash my hair more than like once on this trip. I hate washing my hair on trips. Yeah. It I just I can't do it. I don't like it. Because then I have to bring my blow dryer and all the things.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:31

I will be bringing a giant uh several giant things of like hair product to keep my hair from being grissy so that I don't have to wash it. And I can't carry those on carry-on. They're way more than three ounces.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:43

Gotcha. Okay. So I will probably have to carry on a pack of bags so that I can bring all the liquid things that I will need. Okay. All right. I will probably being a checkable suitcase and my just airport backpack. But I will not be bringing a separate carry-on. Mostly because I don't want to like dragging, I'm dragging the suitcase to wherever are the next gate already. I don't want to have two of them and a backpack. Yeah, I guess my I guess I could just take the battery. My carry-on luggage has a like a battery in it, like a phone battery. Um, and I do like that thing, but it doesn't charge in the pack. I just have one that I just like the like we had a lot of. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:35

I can take it out, I can take it with me. Um I don't have to like, it doesn't have to live in the bag.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:42

I guess I maybe I'll pack the care maybe I'll pack Oh, but you know what?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:46

If they if somebody did lose my luggage somehow because we do have a we have to change planes somewhere in Denver or something, right? No. It's a direct flight. Seattle is a direct flight to Boston. Well then I guess maybe I wouldn't worry so much about my flight. Is it on the way back too? Because if all of my clothes are checked and my toiletries and stuff, I don't know. I'll do what I want. I'm just gonna do what I want at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:22

And you're just gonna find out. You're gonna find you're gonna find out.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:26

We're gonna fuck around and we're gonna find out. The jury's out. I like having like my toiletries and like my medication, my contact lenses, all the things that I really, really need. Yeah, I usually put that in my backpack. I don't know if it'll all fit in my backpack. Like I pack just a like emergency if my luggage isn't here.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:46

All my snacks and my spare sweatshirt and my toilet, all the things will not fit in my backpack.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:50

I think I'm gonna have to carry both. Which I don't care about. You're not gonna need that many snacks. Well, you're you're right. You're right. Because we fly correctly. Um yeah. Well, we'll figure it out. We've got 12 days. God, I'm getting so excited. Um, one thing that's kind of a bummer is Hammer has to go on a work trip, so he leaves the Monday before we leave. Oh no. So I have to get up all by myself and make my way to the airport. And then Bertie has to have a sitter for one night. You're close enough to Uber to the airport anyway. I could probably, yeah, yeah. I could probably Uber to the airport actually if I wanted to, but Auburn is sort of hit or miss. And I wouldn't want to like I don't know. I like it. Well, you know, you can set it up like before. Beforehand. I guess, yeah. I guess, yeah. I guess I didn't think about that.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:47

I'll figure it out. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:48

We'll see. We'll figure it out. I can always do like the cheap long-term parking too. Yeah. If I don't want to park in the garage, which is probably under construction anyway. God, parking in Sacramento is so bad right now. Uh, parking in at the Sonoma County Airport is so great. The whole thing, it's so tiny. It's like flying out of a third world country. I love it. Same. Yeah, it's pretty great. Umber. Well, we'll figure it out. What do you have to do the rest of the day? Um, I gotta go buy some pants for a wedding at the end.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:19

I I I am not, I mean, this will shock you, but I am not a fashionista.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:25

I have like my uniform of jeans and a like flannel or jeans and a tank top or a hoodie, and that's that's what I wear all the time.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:32

I have some really cute dresses if you want to come just like shop my closet. No, I have I have the dress thing handled, but I bought this really adorable. It's actually a lingerie top, and it kind of comes down. It's like cut really low in the front, and it's nice.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:47

It's an LGBTQ wedding in the Bay Area. And so I wanted to, I wanted to, it's they want they want everybody to like be colorful and joyous in the joy, in the joy of love.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:01

And so this this lingerie top, it's sort of like a baby doll top that is really flattering and it's kind of rainbowy. It's like soft, soft pastels in like uh, it's almost like a c it's like almost like tie-dye, but not. Um, and it's just adorable. And I was like, oh my god, I would wear that at the top. That is so cute. So I bought it, but it requires like light colored pants, like white pants, basically. I'm gonna have to wear it. I can't wear like dark pants. Well, I could wear a skirt too, but it has to be light colored, and I don't wear light colors typically because I am me and I will get soy sauce or some shit on it immediately.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:37

What about that cute boho ballerina skirt? Would that go with it? No, that would be too much. Okay, the top's pretty colorful.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:45

Like I think it would be I don't want to dress, I don't want to like make it like a costume, right? Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:51

It has to be classy and respectful and all that stuff.

unknown 1:13:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:55

Yeah. I don't want to like, because I mean the You don't want to show up the bride. The Pinterest board, the mood board that one of the brides sent everyone is, I think it says drama, not costume. So what if you got uh the like a white, like the not white, obviously not white. Also, are you sure you want to wear a white style?

SPEAKER_05 1:14:18

I've got the styled. Listen, no, okay, these are all the questions that I have been I've been working with Sky the last two days because she does like she's personally styling me and she's she's told me what we're wearing. I'm I might go with like an oatmeal linen pant.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:35

Like a light oatmeal. But um what about the oatmeal boho ballerina skirt?

SPEAKER_05 1:14:43

Uh Sky is we're going for more of a tailored look on the bottom because the top is very flouncy. Um anyways, all that is just to say I have to go down to the the store. You gotta go buy pants.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:56

I gotta go buy some pants that I tried on yesterday that she approves of that I didn't buy, but I showed her a picture.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:01

And then I gotta go up by and show her the picture or show her the pants and make sure that I'm on the right track. Are you gonna take yourself to Thai food? You know what? I would normally take myself to lunch if I had to go to Roseville because I love eating lunch by myself. But Parker wants to go to lunch today.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:16

So and my my when your 19-year-old son wants to go to lunch with you, you go.

unknown 1:15:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:21

I'm gonna I'm gonna run down there and then come back and have lunch with him.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:24

Probably just club car or the station or something local, just easy. He'll he'll probably want a burger, so whatever he wants. I don't care. I would love to go to Thai food for lunch, but he wasn't, he's not gonna be into it.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:34

Well, so I'll save my Thai experiences for you. Yay. I very rarely get to eat Thai with my family. But yeah, that's pretty much all I'm doing today. I've got some work to do, but I'm waiting on like several people to email me back. So I'm kind of in a like weird space where I don't know a holding pattern. I'm in a holding pattern.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:51

I have been all week and I'm like, it's killing me.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:55

But yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:56

But yeah, I did get back to the gym this week after um I think it'd been like after Moo died. I didn't do well, I hadn't been to the gym since Moo died.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:06

I was just feeling a little depressed. And I finally did get back to the gym this week a couple of days, and I'm super sore, which is great. Feels good. Nice. Love it.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:12

That's gonna be good.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:14

Yeah. You're pretty you're pretty steady with the gym, aren't you? You go I haven't been. I haven't been the past couple weeks. I've been real shitbaggy about it. Um, just because I've had so many events, and then I thought I was having an event this weekend, and oh yeah. Now you have all this time. I do, but I have a bunch of shit I gotta do. I have a laundry list of things that I'm like, okay, let's take this weekend and like get some things handled.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:40

And for you.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:41

So yeah. Uh so that's what I'm gonna do. I was just about to tell you something, and it was obviously not monumentally important. Well, I'm also gonna So when we were staying in the in the valley in Yosemite, um, we were, you know, there's that big trail that kind of goes all the way around the valley, and we rented some bikes, and Shane and I were racing, and we got back to the hotel and we're kind of waiting, waiting, waiting. And then Hammer shows up and he's like like he stacked, he's bloodied. Yeah. Oh his knees all jacked up.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:14

Was he wearing his elbows all jacked up?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:16

His head's fine. No, he wasn't. Um, it's just his knee and his elbow. Um the chain, he was riding a bike and the chain came off. Oh, that sucks. That'll happen on those rental bikes. So his his ankles also he's got a real like gangster lamp happening. Like Warren G situation.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:38

Poor guy, that sucks. He's lucky that he didn't get more hurt. He should have been wearing a helmet.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:43

I'm just saying, I know he should have been wearing a helmet. I know. Um, he wasn't even the one racing. That's what I felt bad about. He was just cruising.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:54

Wait, wait, he wasn't even involved in the race? No. And he just stacked it up? Yeah. That's like something I would do. The chain came off.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:02

Chain gang.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:04

Oh, poor guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:05

That sucks. So was his body or his pride more injured? Who did anyone see it happen? Body. Oh, a bunch of people saw it happen. Like, there's this was Yosemite Valley on the weekend. There's a ton of people. Oh, that is the worst. I think he like I he like swerved to avoid a busload of tourists. Like, there's a bunch of people who saw it.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:27

I was riding my bike up at North Star, which is like a it's kind of like a downhill resort in the summer, and you take the lift, you take the lift lift up and then you ride down.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:36

And I I ate shit really bad in like under right underneath the lift one time.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:42

Hi, everyone. And my first thought after I realized nothing, like I jumped up so quick just to get away from the chair lift. I was like, I need to move away from it.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:54

I'm fine, everything's fine, I gotta go.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:57

So embarrassing. So embarrassing. I also did something embarrassing.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:01

We played in I'm so embarrassing all the time. We played in this golf tournament this weekend, and you know, I'm not that good. And I also just switched from right-handed to left-handed, so I'm extra not that good. But it was two or three. I'm getting better. We did use a couple of my drives, I think, and I I sank two of the putts that we birdied on. So I was doing okay. I'm doing okay. But I on this part three, I was trying to hit my seven iron over this like little pond, and I whiffed it like four times before I finally made contact with the ball.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:32

And uh, I just I'm I've been reliving it all week. Like people are sitting there watching us, and I'm just like, I'm new here, basically. Yeah, yeah. Sorry about it. Embarrassing. Oh, you've you you know you've all been here, you motherfuckers.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:48

Yeah, don't judge me. Yeah, yeah. And then it wasn't a great shot, but it didn't go in the pond. So that was like a small victory because I definitely have hit have hit in the pond every time before that. I whipped seven times and then it went in the pond.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:59

And then it went in the pond. That would just have been perfect.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:04

Um, I know what I was gonna tell you too. Um, have you ever made, I know you like to cook. Do you like to cook soups ever?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:12

Are you a gar person? Yeah. Um I made lasagna soup for the first time. Okay. I have not made it, I have had it.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:20

So progreso soup makes this lasagna soup that I have never personally tasted, but I told Parker this looks good one day when we were shopping.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:30

And he has been eating this lasagna soup from progresso. Okay. And I really, you know, I love lasagna and it makes good leftovers. But yeah. So I thought I would try this lasagna soup recipe that I just found online.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:41

Um, it was so good. Okay. It was who it who did the recipe. Um, I don't what whoever popped up first that had like a hundred or more. I don't think Love and Lemons always pops up. She must pay an exorbitant amount for less than.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:59

Uh it was tastes

Comfort Food Soups And Cooking Ideas

SPEAKER_05 1:21:00

better from scratch. And it had almost almost 5,000 five-star reviews. Okay. Um, and then I, you know, since I don't follow recipes, I just, you know, roughly followed, I did what I wanted basically, roughly following the recipe a little bit. And it turned out so good. And you put like, you make like a mixture of the ricotta and mozzarella cheese and perm.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:23

And then you put like a glob in it when the soup is hot and it mixes in with the soup. It made such great leftovers. It was so great.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:31

I want to make it for you sometime. Or okay, I'm here for it. Or even just or even just send you the recipe and let you do your own thing with it. It sounds delicious. You know, I make it with the the vegetarian meats. Sure. The impossible meats and things. But it was I want it to get cold real soon. When we got back, it was like 90 degrees here. It was so gross. It's supposed to be 80 like the next week. I'm so what I'm looking forward to in Maine. God, I'm also looking forward to layer. Uh and I just layer.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:03

It is going to be. Well, today it's 74 in Portland, which is lovely. But a little it is going to be.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:13

Like 50s at night, 70s during the day, maybe low high 60s.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:18

Oh, that's what I'm here for. High 60s. Maybe a little rain when we get to Salem. I hope so. Dare to dream. Um, so are you gonna pack a raincoat?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:28

Nah. Nah. I'll buy an umbrella. Okay. No. Um yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:41

I guess well, if you don't pack a raincoat, then maybe I won't pack a raincoat and then we both end up soaked. We both end up soaked. We can buy and share an umbrella. It's not like Alaska where we're gonna be like hiking and kayaking in a glacier and adventuring as much. You know, we're gonna be cruising around checking out shit and eating yummy food. And if it looks like it's gonna rain the day that we want to go to Acadia, maybe we just go to Acadia a different day. Or do we just go buy a raincoat? Okay. I guarantee you they sell those like stupid clear touristy, like clear shelf. Like a garbage bag. I'll buy a garbage bag. Yeah. And we'll be able to look at the colour. That does make sense. Yeah, absolutely. As it gets closer, um we'll probably have a better idea.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:35

Based on my stocking, my weather stocking the last few weeks, it looks like there's more likely to be rain in Salem than in Portland.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:41

Okay. I'd agree.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:43

So we'll just I guess we'll just how about I just chill the fuck out and I don't obsess and worry about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:53

Is the walking ghost tour.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:56

Wait, we have a walking food tour and a walking ghost tour.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:59

Yeah. Okay. The food tour is in Portland, though. Portland, yeah. And the ghost tour is in Salem.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:06

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:06

Obviously.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:08

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:09

Um Okay, but to bounce back, I wanted to ask you what your favorite, like what your favorite soup is to make or what kind of soups you I'm making soup tonight because it's finally not a hundred degrees here and it rained a little bit, and it's supposed to rain more, and I want to make soup tonight. And I was looking for suggestions on what you what you would make if you were gonna make soup.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:29

Um, well, I mean, like when it's rainy and I want real comfort, I want like tomato bisque with a grilled cheese situation. I do love a grilled cheese situation. Um, I love a clam chowder. Probably won't make not Manhattan. Um, I have a recipe, I have a great recipe, but it's for a three chili chicken soup that involves copious amounts of cilantro and three different kinds of chili, a jalapeno, roasted, annaheim, and something else. Um what would be a good I mean, it's the last vestiges of kind of summer. I bet a corn soup, like a white corn soup, would be really good. Well, that's a good idea. I don't think I've ever made a corn soup. Maybe with a little like pesto drizzle on top, a little some kind of or um corn soup with a little chimmy chimichuri drizzle. Would that be good?

unknown 1:25:30

Fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:32

Because I've finally made I've made chimichuri enough times now that I don't need a recipe and I just make whatever, and so far so good. Yeah. White corn soup. I would not have thought of that. Creamy corn soup.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:46

That looks delicious. Looks like really high carb. Oh yeah. But I mean, do we care? Probably not. No. White corn soup. Creamy corn soup.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:59

It's a Mexican thing, it looks like.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:01

Well, there's different ways you could do it. Yeah, you could yeah, you could do like an elote uh soup.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:12

Alright, I dig it.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:14

I was thinking maybe like a butternut squash situation too. Yeah, I'm trying to think of what's in season now that you're not gonna be able to get for that long. I made potato soup last week. Nice.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:28

Which was good. Yeah, throw white corn in there, get crazy. Good call.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:36

I think I'm gonna make a pasta tonight with white corn, tomato, and burrata.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:43

Ooh. I think that's a plan. We'll see how much I get done on all my plant chores.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:54

All right, you got it's 11. You gotta go get it.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:57

I should probably go get pants so I can get to lunch with Parker and get back to the phone.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:01

Are you even wearing pants right now? We could be pantsless. I know. I could be I could be sitting here totally naked from the waist down and you'd never know. I'm not even gonna stand up, so people will never know. I'm not gonna prove it one way or the other. I would be really impressed if you were sitting there naked because your doors behind you are all blast and they point out to the to the road. Point out to my driveway, which is so long. Like I can see the road from where I'm sitting here in can in Auburn. Yeah, it's pretty far though. I don't think anyone cares that much to look in here. Probably not. And they wouldn't get closer because Bertie would bark, and that's just the whole thing. She flips shit. Yeah, you would. I see you looking at me. Um, we have to go on our S T R O L L soon, also. Oh yeah. Go get that done. Yeah. All right. Um, all right. I love you, and I love God. I already forgot the word puppy

Closing Jokes And Goodbye

SPEAKER_02 1:27:50

breath and pinnacle.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:51

Petrical. Petricole. Petricole? Petricore. Petricore. Petricore, sorry. See, look, you know even better than I do now. It's not.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:00

Hardcore, it's petrichore.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:01

It's not petrol, it's petrichor.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Petrol petrichore. Puppy puppy breath and petrichore. Yep, my two favorites. That's you. Your memoir. You can name your memoir someday Peppy Puppy Breath and Petrachore. Yeah, and make make it real hard for people to say.

unknown 1:28:20

All right.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:20

Super madden. I love you. All right. Love you. Bye. Bye. See, this is where it's awkward, and I never know how to leap.